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Ryan Salo
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Post subject: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;)  Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:50 pm |
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sharon kinsella
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:04 pm |
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Are you that obtuse or do you think you're clever?
Faux news isn't news.
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sharon kinsella
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:07 pm |
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By the way, remember ripping into Justine and I about sub-prime mortgages? I don't remember you admitting that we were right. So how about it, will you man up?
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Ryan Salo
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:25 am |
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sharon kinsella wrote: Are you that obtuse or do you think you're clever?
Faux news isn't news. Sharon, As always your remarks are filled with knowledge and kindness.  I am not sure what you are talking about with the subprime topic. Please find the old remarks and quote them. Jim does a great job with the search feature, so it should be easy. I would be happy to respond. Have a lovely evening.
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Roy Pitchford
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:21 pm |
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sharon kinsella wrote: Are you that obtuse or do you think you're clever?
Faux news isn't news. So, where do you go to get your news? _________________ 
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sharon kinsella
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:44 pm |
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Let's see - CNN, MSNBC, BBC, Huffington Post, Washington Post and NYT.
I've watched Faux News and anyone who thinks that Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck and Rump Limpbough, along with Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann are credible have serious issues, too deep for me or Dr. Phil.
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ryan costa
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 3:51 pm |
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John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936. This made him a U.S.National, but not a U.S.Citizen. Later, in 1937, Congress passed legislation making children born to Americans in the Panama Canal Zone U.S.Citizens. In addition, He is not the President.
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Stephen Eisel
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 1:41 pm |
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ryan costa wrote: John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936. This made him a U.S.National, but not a U.S.Citizen. Later, in 1937, Congress passed legislation making children born to Americans in the Panama Canal Zone U.S.Citizens. In addition, He is not the President. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/h ... ident.htmlQuote: But McCain is a natural-born citizen, even though he was not born within this country's borders, since his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. As a congressional act stated in 1790:
Congress: "And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
Another congressional act in 1795 issued a similar assurance, though it changed the language from "natural born citizen" to "citizen."
But the State Department clarifies the issue, saying that the 1790 language is honored under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.
This is not the first time the question has been broached in a presidential election. Fellow Arizonian Barry Goldwater was born in the Arizona territory before it was a state. And Mitt Romney's father, George, ran for president in 1968, though he was born in Mexico. Like McCain, both were born to U.S. citizens and, therefore, considered to be American citizens.
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sharon kinsella
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 1:25 pm |
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Stephen, just because I haven't said in a while - shut up.
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Stephen Eisel
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2011 4:55 pm |
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sharon kinsella wrote: Stephen, just because I haven't said in a while - shut up. I feel the love Sharon.. I feel the love!!!! 
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:29 am |
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there were many laws passed between the 1795 laws you cite and the birth of John McCain. In the year of his birth, children born to Americans in the Canal Zone were U.S. Nationals but not U.S. Citizens.
According to legend, the U.S. Supreme Court case "Downes vs Bidwell" resulted in some distinction between "Unincorporated U.S. Territory" and "incorporated U.S.Territory". A few years later, around 1905, Supreme Court Case Rasmussen v. United States yielded the verdict that full Constitution only applies for INCORPORATED TERRITORIES OF THE UNITED STATES.
Later, a year after McCain was born, Congress passed an act that retroactively granted U.S. Citizenship to all children born of a U.S.Parent in the Panama Canal Zone after 1904.
The legal nebula of this doesn't really matter to me. Plenty of Americans were born to U.S. troops overseas. Obama's mother was an american, therefore he is an american.
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:43 pm |
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Quote: Later, a year after McCain was born, Congress passed an act that retroactively granted U.S. Citizenship to all children born of a U.S.Parent in the Panama Canal Zone after 1904. Quote: And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
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Stephen Eisel
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:58 pm |
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Quote: Obama's mother was an american, therefore he is an american. LOL
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sharon kinsella
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Post subject: Re: Why should residency matter if citizenship doesn't? ;) Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 12:32 pm |
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Ryan -
Page 3 of the thread "Walkaways" has you dead to rights guy. A friend had to find it for me.
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