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Betsy Voinovich
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Re: Is Time To Move On?

Postby Betsy Voinovich » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:37 am

Bill Call wrote:is it time to move on?


What do you mean? Move on out of Lakewood?

Or move on and accept the cartoon of it all (courtesy of Drew Carey).

Here's the cartoon:

Foghorn Leghorn (the big chicken from Warner Bros cartoons)
doing his impression of the US Congress-- but in this case fill in
our official representatives in Lakewood for Congress, the "you"
in this cartoon is us-- the citizens of Lakewood.

Foghorn Leghorn: "Look at me, ah say Look
at me, while I'm f**king you."

Is it better not to look?

Betsy Voinovich


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Re: Is Time To Move On?

Postby Rhonda loje » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:49 am

Isn't it better to scream from the roof tops?

Like the movie Network .......

" I AM MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE"

Just asking?


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That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
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Re: Is Time To Move On?

Postby Bill Call » Sun Jan 25, 2015 1:50 pm

Rhonda loje wrote:Isn't it better to scream from the roof tops?

Like the movie Network .......

" I AM MAD AS HELL AND I AM NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANY MORE"

Just asking?


I had always assumed that the Board at Lakewood Hospital, the Foundation and the City of Lakewood thought that Lakewood Hospital was an asset to the community and should be protected and improved. Wrong.

If the people charged with protecting the Hospital are on board for its destruction and media outlets like the Plain Dealer don't even bother to report on the issue it's a lost cause.

It would be nice if we had even one independent voice on City Council but we don't.

A recent report detailed the horrible job picture in Northeast Ohio. We won't regain jobs lost in this recession until 2019 at the earliest. That's assuming there won't be another economic slow down.

I had once thought that Lakewood could survive and thrive. I no longer think so. Who wants to be the last one to leave a ghost town?


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Re: Is Time To Move On?

Postby Rhonda loje » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:10 pm

Bill,

Are we having a conversation about the same topic?
I don't think so....


"Dont it always seem to go
That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot"
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Re: Is Time To Move On?

Postby Bill Call » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:18 pm

Rhonda loje wrote:Bill,

Are we having a conversation about the same topic?
I don't think so....


The original ( ? ) was about moving on the from discussion about saving Lakewood Hospital. As some point you have to cut you losses.

However, I it was also a poor attempt at a double entendre. Is it time to move on from Lakewood?


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Re: Is Time To Move On?

Postby Rhonda loje » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:27 pm

Bill,

Sorry I did not realize that you were moving the conversation from saving the hospital. I thought you were continuing that line of conversation.

I think this is the best deal we are going to get.

Don't you think we should clearly move the conversation to the Letter of Intent (as you have started on the other post) and the execution of "the deal"?

Rhonda


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That you dont know what youve got
Till its gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot"
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Re: Is Time To Move On?

Postby Jim O'Bryan » Sun Jan 25, 2015 7:57 pm

Bill

You have expended a lot of energy on this topic, and it really seemed to come to a feverish
crescendo. I would encourage you to take a breath and instead of 100 different discussions
work on one real good one.

As we look back, we find out the Clinic had no interest in leaving, but some of our civic
leaders though they had a better plan, for the space and the money.

Now let's look at the deal, is it good or bad, and how we all sat by as our civic leaders
conspired to remove one of our most valuable assets for a small handful of magic beans.

This is just getting interesting, now comes the cover up as witnessed by the City of Lakewood
spending $20,000 for Crisis Management. When the Clinic leaves you need jobs, not crisis
management. When you screw up a 100 year institution and the future of a city, you need
crisis management! Now the questions is since it is a Lakewood company, is this
crisis management, or kicking more friends money from this deal?

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Re: Is Time To Move On?

Postby Tim Liston » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:34 pm

"Bill, .... instead of 100 different discussions work on one real good one."

Bill five years ago: "Lakewood hospital is closing...."
Bill four years ago: "Lakewood hospital is closing...."
Bill three years ago: "Lakewood hospital is closing...."
Bill two years ago: "Lakewood hospital is closing...."
Bill last year: "Lakewood hospital is closing...."

Seems line "one real good one" to me....

"the Clinic had no interest in leaving...." and "our civic leaders conspired to remove one of our most valuable assets...."

I don't believe one other person believes any of that. I don't believe one other person thinks that the City wanted the Hospital to close, at least not in favor of what is being proposed. There is not one shred of real evidence that I have seen presented here to indicate that. The only thing I have seen in black and white is that the City is not a party to the LOI calling for the closure of Lakewood Hospital. My goodness that is an odd agreement, the parties calling for the demolition of a building not owned by any of them, and the construction on the property also not owned by any of them. Can anyone explain?


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Re: Is Time To Move On?

Postby Jim O'Bryan » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:56 pm

Tim Liston wrote:I don't believe one other person believes any of that. I don't believe one other person thinks that the City wanted the Hospital to close, at least not in favor of what is being proposed. There is not one shred of real evidence that I have seen presented here to indicate that. The only thing I have seen in black and white is that the City is not a party to the LOI calling for the closure of Lakewood Hospital. My goodness that is an odd agreement, the parties calling for the demolition of a building not owned by any of them, and the construction on the property also not owned by any of them. Can anyone explain?


Tim

Perhaps that is because City Council needs to pass the City's part of the agreement. The
Mayor is on record liking it, and if we could get the money being talked about it's a pretty
fair deal money wise. It would be better if we could still operate the hospital.

Tim, I am referring to the hundreds of topics Bill has kicked out this week on the subject.
Bill has been saying since he was scheduled in Westlake that the Hospital is closing.

In the Crain's article posted, by C Dawson. It explains that these current talks were not started by the Cleveland Clinic but the City, Hospital Board and Foundation. That would
indicate to me, that the Cleveland Clinic was just fulfilling their contract when the city
opened talks to change it again.

How else can one read it. More importantly to me, this is exactly what I was told three
months ago, from the group that has been right about every aspect of this deal. This was
not the Cleveland Clinic trying to get out of a contract.

Show me where the Clinic wanted out? Then even said with it operating at a loss, which
it was not doing they were willing to carry on.

Seems pretty plain to me. Look at the Huron closing, the Clinic didn't mince words. Why
now. Meanwhile I am still waiting for a truthful statement from City Hall, outside of the
document, which has been spun into a $120 million development that could lose us an
easy $6 million not even taking into account taxes, and other fallout.

Tim, not sure about you but when I see one side truthful and the other side spinning, lying,
and hiring crisis management specialist, I know which one to believe. But that is me,
maybe you have had a different experience.

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If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
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